I know. I'm back. AGAIN. I'm a monster! A blogging monster. *wheels start turning in Graham's head* and...
|
THE MOHO BLOGGING MONSTER A.K.A. Graham Lawrence A.K.A. Another name that you shan't know yet. |
So, anyway... I blog A LOT. Sorry about that, but like I said in my last post... it's about me. Not you.
I went on an incredible hike today. It was so beautiful.
|
I think this is the most beautiful picture I've EVER taken. Pretty damn proud of it. (But my phone did all the work.) |
I was so out of shape. It's become apparent that just lifting weights is NOT enough. I need to add some cardio to the exercise mix, too. It wasn't pretty.
Anyway, I went with a few good friends. These friends are all LDS. On the way up, one of the friends and I got separated and we started talking about our gay friend from high school. My friend, (who we'll call Brent) started talking about his opinions on that gay friend (who we'll call Steve) and gays in general. I braced myself, and made sure to remind myself to be very careful with my words. Brent started going on and on about Steve, and how Steve had "chosen to be gay." I did my best not to get too defensive, because, honestly, I thought the same thing in high school... that Steve had chosen to be gay, but I replied to Brent that I no longer believed as much. "Why would any Mormon who loves their family choose to be gay?"
Steve is the gay friend who I've actually come out to. I learned about his story, and know that Steve started having feelings for men at a very young age. He felt awful about his same sex attraction. He tried everything to overcome it, but to no avail. When Steve did start coming out after high school, his parents did not react in an understanding way and they were very against the idea. This caused Steve a lot of pain and suffering. Brent, likely doesn't know the full story. I tried my best to not reveal how much I know, and also to persuade Brent that Steve did not choose this. Brent said that he felt like, yes, there were some people who were just gay, but that he felt like the majority just chose to be gay because it's either a "cool" thing, an environment thing, or they were just convinced that they were gay, when they really weren't. He brought up the
Weeds and how they have had a successful marriage despite the husband's orientation. Brent said that that meant that marriages could still happen for guys that have same sex attraction. I still didn't want to act like I knew too much about the subject, but I definitely knew who he was talking about. Their story had given me a lot of hope when I first heard about it, but I've since given up any hope of finding someone like Mrs. Weed.
We eventually caught up with the other two friends, and the topic later came up again. Brent restated his opinion for the others. Another friend fell a lot more on my side, that no Mormon would choose it, and that we need sex to have a truly fulfilling marriage. Brent tried to say that mixed orientation marriages could work for most gay people if they could just find a best friend. I pointed out that the Weeds are able to have sex, but some gay men are physically unable to really have sex with a woman. And we talked about how the mixed orientation marriage thing can be tough for the woman involved because there might not be sex, or it might not give her the assurances of her beauty that she looks for, etc. The other friend and I both agreed that to have a truly happy marriage, there needed to be something more than just friendship. (physical friendship?) (I don't pretend to know what mixed orientation marriage is like, and obviously some people have such marriages and make them work. I just know that at the time of the conversation, I was thinking about myself and how I think I would find myself unhappy in that situation, and that I believe my wife would ultimately be unhappy. Just my opinion.) The fourth friend, who I'll call Zach was silent. He's pretty shy, so I wasn't surprised he wasn't spouting an opinion on the matter. But it was pretty clear that Brent firmly believed that most gay guys weren't born that way, and that I felt otherwise. I should also point out that to everyone's credit, no one believed it was a good idea to just tell gay Mormons to just fake it and marry the opposite sex, and that if mixed orientation marriages were going to work, honesty NEEDS to be involved. I fully endorse those two opinions. I had a few moments where I really wanted to say, "I would NEVER choose being gay, but I AM GAY!" But I didn't dare say it. I've never considered Brent someone I really want to come out to until I'm so gay that I'm beyond his constant advice giving. If I told him I was gay today, I'm confident that he would try to convince me that I'm not, or that I could still have a marriage to a woman. As he felt about Steve. Whether he'd actually say that to my face or not, I don't know. But I DO know that he would talk about me behind my back, just like Steve, and come up with some reason that I'd chosen this. (Most likely that I was just sick of being unsuccessful at dating girls. Haha!) It was a tough conversation to have with these friends, but I was glad to get to start dealing with some of the things that will certainly be part of the conversations I have as I begin coming out to straight LDS friends and family.
I wasn't very glad to have the conversation I had with Zach (the shy one) later on tonight. I should tell you, that Zach is a scientist. He studies wildlife and biology. He is someone that I've fairly strongly considered coming out to, but I know that it would be really hard for him in a lot of ways. I have, in some ways, been a role model to him. He has looked to my example of how I've lived my life in various situations. I feel somewhat like an older brother to him at times. I've actually also wondered if he's gay or at least has SSA.
So, he and I were alone and he started by saying, "It was so hard for me to listen to that conversation about gay people and not say anything!" And I said, "Yeah, I want to know your opinions." He then explained that it biologically didn't make sense to him that people could be born gay. He didn't believe that they could have a genetic makeup that made them gay, because he felt that if it
was a genetic trait, that it would have been weeded out over time and there would be no more gay people. I explained to him that there have always been gay people, and that in the past they likely just got married to the opposite sex more often. To which he replied that then gay Mormons now should just do that. I replied that they (at least on Mad Men, haha) likely just had gay affairs on the side and kept their wives to keep up appearances, or that they had really miserable marriages. Anyway, I kind of convinced him that gay people still keep marrying people of the opposite gender and that at least his theory that they should be genetically extinct was false in that way. He then brought up the issue of how a random person can be gay in a family of straight people. THIS hit home pretty strongly. He then said that he felt like it would have to be a super recessive trait for that to happen. Then he started talking about how on the nature vs. nurture spectrum he felt that it must be nurture. He raised the point that autism can be complicated by surroundings. He said he was sure that almost anyone can feel same sex attractions. (I actually think he kind of admitted to me that he had had same sex attractions, but he didn't say that exactly.) He tried to say that you could feel a very strong love for another person of your gender, and then just get confused and bring a sexual attraction into the matter. So I asked him if he thought it was like a mental problem where people just confused their feelings. And he said yes. So basically, he said that he felt like the only ways you could be gay were if your environment (upbringing, etc) created it, you'd been molested, or you were just mentally confusing yourself. I wanted to just say right there, "I'm gay, so do you think I'm just confused mentally? I'm pretty sure it wasn't my parents' fault, and I certainly haven't been molested!"
I don't really agree with much that Zach said tonight, obviously. I think people are born gay. I just don't know why I am... and this made me start doubting
whether I am. I started feeling like a freak of nature after my conversation with the nature scientist. I DO have a family that (at least on the surface) is 100% straight, and I'm the exception. Have I just mentally confused myself? Or is it genetics and the trait is super recessive or is the trait just hidden by mixed orientation marriages or family that just has lied and said they weren't gay when they were? Did my parents mess me up? Did my having multiple sisters mess me up? Was my dad not being what I wanted him to be, the reason? I just started freaking out as I was driving home. I think I must have been born this way, but I don't know. It scares me, so much, that I don't have the answers for when I have to have these conversations as I start coming out of the closet. After we'd finished talking about our opinions on it, Zach did say that he just didn't like thinking about it, and that he didn't really know what to think. He just likes to pretend it doesn't exist. THAT sounded very familiar to me. (My denial for 25 years likely sounded a lot like what Zach said to me.) I've wondered if he is gay and if I came out it would be easier for him to come out. Who knows?
Anyway, that last comment about him not really knowing did make me feel a bit better, but I'm still left feeling really troubled. My conversation with Zach just made me feel crappy. I know that I'm attracted to men, and I haven't found a woman that I'm sexually attracted to. I don't think I could ever have a hetero relationship. I'm pretty sure that I want a homosexual relationship. I just am filled with a weird confusion still, and I think it might just be that I don't have the answers. I just wonder if I'm the only MOHO who has doubts about the ho part sometimes? I guess I'm still pretty fresh to admitting to myself that I'm gay, so maybe some doubts are still to be expected.
I'm just feeling so desperate to fast forward. Can't I just get to the part where the dust has settled from me coming out of the closet, and I've found the man of my dreams? Please?
****UPDATE:
I had another conversation with "Zach" today. He had done more research after our conversation last night, and had read about a study that had a very plausible genetic explanation for homosexuality, as well as the island issue (where one person could be the only gay person in their family.) He also already seems to have come around quite a bit on things. I really do think that I'm an influential person in his life, but I didn't think he'd change his tone so quickly. Certainly he's still very against homosexuality as a sin, he says, but at least he's a little more understanding of a way that it could be natural. As Matt pointed out in the comments, this really shouldn't matter for me, but for some reason, I just like that there's a scientific option or two to explain it.
Here's a link to an article explaining the theory behind what Zach and I discussed. ****